The Danger of Laying on of Hands

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The Danger of Laying on of Hands

Post by ahmunmun » Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:41 am

According to Derek Price (and I say this because I haven't heard from anyone else), demonic powers can be transferred through the laying on of hands. He used 1 Timothy 5:22 to remind us not to engage in this practice hastily. I would like deliverance ministers to confirm for me whether there is truth to this.

If Derek Price is right, then what would you do if you're in a prayer meeting, and the pastor tells the whole congregation to lay their hands on you? Would you scream out, "No! One of them could have a demonic spirit!" People could be offended when you bring up the idea of their having demons... I personally wouldn't know what to do if next time someone offers to lay a hand on me, because the idea of demonic spirits transferring through this way has never occurred to me, until now.

Also, if Derek Price is right, then how come churches never warn us about the potential danger to this practice?
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Post by Bunn » Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:49 am

I believe this to be true. Although I am no minsiter I just figured I would add my opinion.

What if someone was involved in satanic rituals and then layed their hands up on you? Why couldn't they transfer an evil spirit to you?

As for what you would say in that sort of situation... haha... I have no idea.
I know our pastor asks all of us to join hands sometimes. And now I'm wondering about that too. I don't want to be the only one to refuse to do it.

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Post by ahmunmun » Sun Jun 04, 2006 2:04 am

Well, I wouldn't let somebody involved in Satanism to lay his hand on me, because they wouldn't be praying for me to God!

But I'm talking about refusing to let fellow brothers and sisters from church lay their hands on me, with good intentions. I wouldn't want to upset them by suggesting that they could spread some demons to me. Like you said, I wouldn't know what to do. Somebody want to give advice? And also tell me why so many P/C churches accept this practice if Derek Price is right?

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Laying on of hands

Post by pastor-b » Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:08 am

The laying on of hands has many specific purposes. In the Old Testament, the Jews would lay hands on an animal to be sacrificed as a symbol of transferring the person's sins onto the animal as a means of removing those sins from the person (Lev. 1:4, 8:18). It also was a way of receiving blessings, such as when Jacob blessed Ephraim and Manasseh in Gen. 48:13-20. It is also used for the transfer of power and authority such as Moses to Joshua in Num. 27:18-23. In the New Testament we find the laying on of hands accompanying miraculous healings (Mark 6:5, 8:23-25, Luke 4:40), for example. Jesus layed hands on children to bless them in Matt. 19:13-15 and Mark 10:16. We also find in the book of Acts the commissioning of Ministry gifts to the body of Christ , Appointments to godly service, and reception of the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands. Just before the scripture Linnorm quoted, (I Tim. 5:22), Paul discussed the gift of prophecy being administered through the laying on of hands by the church Elders.
So you see, it is a very important part of the ministry given to us by God. If I run around being afraid that if someone lays hands on me I might be demonized, it could cause a paranoa that would defeat all the goodness that God in His infinite mercy was trying to accomplish through Godly laying on of hands. Yes it is important to examine yourself before you lay hands on someone. In my church, only Elders, alter workers, or the deliverance team is allowed to lay hands on someone. They are taught to examine themselves and be as clean before the Lord as possible. We do not allow just anybody to lay hands on the congregation as a source of security to the flock. This is just in keeping with being a good shepherd.
Understand this: you could just walk into someone's house and have a demon jump on you. Anytime I do a deliverance, some demons will attempt to attack me. In the excerpt you read from Derik Prince's book, he said that he was a young Christian at the time. Young christians usually do not have the full armor of God, as that is a sign of spiritual maturity. Had he been equipped with some sort of protection, this incident may not have occured. Remember what Derek Prince stated in his book just before he spoke of this incident? "
The power may do good or evil, depending on the one from whom it flows."

If you have a problem with the pastor or someone in your church laying hands on you, make sure you address this to him or her in a godly manner, so as to not disrupt the flow of the Spirit during service. It would be preferable if you spoke to them in private. They may be able to reassure you that there is nothing to fear.
It has been my experience that the laying on of hands is a very powerful and effective tool in deliverance, healing and receiving blessings. We sure wouldn't want to let our fear of the devil stop us from doing God's work. Amen and God bless. pastor-b

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Post by ahmunmun » Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:13 am

Thanks Pastor B. You even gave Scriptural references! I will study them. I felt the same answer this morning regarding my concern about demons spreading - that this shouldn't matter if you have the love for others. There are missionaries who preach to people with leprosy, and some of them are even infected, but the important thing is that the gospel is preached.

Also, I looked up 1 Timothy 5:22 in two Bibles that have explanations (one Bible in English, one Bible in Chinese). Both of those Bibles said that 1 Timothy 5:22 is about appointing elders, which is done by laying on hands. One should never be hasty in laying on hands to appoint elders because one could overlook major problems or sins. Neither of the explanations said that the verse is talking about laying on hands for healing, so there is a possibility that Derek Prince might've used that verse incorrectly to support himself. :shocked:

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Post by ahmunmun » Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:36 pm

Pastor-b and other ministers: When you minister deliverance someone, do you lay your hands on the person? If yes, then has there ever been a time when the demon transfers to you? I just want to get an idea of how often/rare this happens.

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Post by freedom4all » Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:11 pm

I have heard this many times and did a study that I would like to share:


1Ti 5:22
Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.


Bible Notes:
1Ti 5:22
Lay hands; in ordination. Suddenly; hastily, without due investigation respecting the qualifications of the candidate. Partaker of other men's sins; as he would be, if through his negligence or sinful partiality improper men were raised to office in the church. In raising men to the sacred office, great care should be taken not to introduce improper persons. All suitable means should be used to ascertain their qualifications, and none be admitted who may not reasonably be expected to be faithful and useful.


This is my opinion of the above verse and reference.

They where speaking of ordination. Not to allow just anyone to become a man of position in the fellowship. And I am sure we could all agree that there are currently men and women in ministry that should not be there. As for the transferring of demons, I can not find any place where this happened to a man or woman of God that was truly seeking God and doing the work of our Father. God called us to do this so if we have to be in fear of demons coming on us then there is no Love in us. Perfect love cast out all fear. And God is love.


Mr 16:18
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Bible Notes:
Mr 16:18
Serpents; poisonous reptiles. They would be able, when needful, to handle them without injury.

Lu 9:1
Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.

Let's look at the word Power
Power means:
privilege, right, force, mighty, ability, strength

Let's look at the word Authority
Authority means:
ability, subject, force, competency, jurisdiction, liberty, power, right, strength, delegated authority

WOW This is our right, privilege, and delegated authority. Now how can we say to be careful. This sounds like a doctrine of the devil him self. We all know that satan and all of his demons hate the anointing. So, does it now make sense that Satan would try to spread all of this confusion and fear. This would surely keep the ministers scared and not laying hands on the sick and surely we would be so scared we would not want to touch someone with a demon. I hope that this would help all who have been scared. I break that lie that has been placed on my brothers and sisters in Jesus name.
Remember this, that satan is a liar and all of his demons.

Caution: I encourage everyone to receive deliverance several times before casting out someone else's demons.

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I agree...

Post by Starrynightprayer » Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:01 am

I definitely think that we who believe in deliverance and spiritual warfare need to watch that we don't get into a mindset of fear nor minister fear to others. I've seen a lot of that in books, sadly. The reality is that demons are everywhere. Being paranoid isn't God's will! God hasn't given us a spirit of fear!

We have authority over the enemy, including the enemy in our own lives. If we have a demon bugging us, command it to go. If it's still bugging us, get more firepower from others.

But definitely don't be afraid! How can we minister to anyone if we're afraid?

Greater is He who is in us than He who is in the world!!!!

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Post by ahmunmun » Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:09 am

I admit that when I posted my OP, I was scared... and also shocked. Then in my second post here, I already stated that I'm over it.

However, I still want to know if Derek Prince is right. It just doesn't make sense that somebody who is strong could let a demon in. For example, if I don't have a desire to look at pornography, does it mean that I could still get a demon of pornography just because someone with that demon lays his hand on me??? That doesn't make sense.

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Re: I agree...

Post by timbo » Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:14 am

Starrynightprayer wrote:I definitely think that we who believe in deliverance and spiritual warfare need to watch that we don't get into a mindset of fear nor minister fear to others. I've seen a lot of that in books, sadly. The reality is that demons are everywhere. Being paranoid isn't God's will! God hasn't given us a spirit of fear!

We have authority over the enemy, including the enemy in our own lives. If we have a demon bugging us, command it to go. If it's still bugging us, get more firepower from others.

But definitely don't be afraid! How can we minister to anyone if we're afraid?

Greater is He who is in us than He who is in the world!!!!

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amen thats good advice... the devil loves to strike fear in our minds and hearts... regonize it, and step up, anyone who understands this realm will be in a constant battle with the forces of darkness. the life of faith is always going to be oppossed by fear and doubt.
we aren't to be intimidated by anything (especially by christians who are ignorant to this realm).
again, well said starrynightprayer
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Laying on of hands

Post by David » Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:26 pm

As a christian years ago I was taught christians can not have demons. My pride and deception and my ego kept me from the truth for a long time. I had learned the hard way. I ended up in a mental Hospital and no treatment realy help me. After I got to my lowest part in my life I sumitted to a deliverance meeting and received much help. That was back in 1992. I am no longer in a mental Hospital, they kick me out. They said I was doing very well and I did not belong there no more. So the last 14 years I have study and learn about Deliverance and Deliverance Ministries. When it comes to letting people laying hands on me for prayer. First I must know somethings about them. Second before I submit to prayer I pray in my mind what it says in Matt. ch.18 verse 18. Whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven. I bind any spirits that would transfer from the person praying with me. I also bind any spirits that might transfer from me to others when I pray for them. You see I have learn in my own life it takes months and sometmes years to find out where other problems in my life has pop up and I needed more deliverance. At first I was fearful also. It is normal to have some fear of the unknown. After my first time of getting help my fear turn to courage, stronger Faith and looking forward to kicking the powers of darkness out of me and helping others to receive the same freedom.

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Re: Laying on of hands

Post by timbo » Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:48 pm

David wrote: As a christian years ago I was taught christians can not have demons. My pride and deception and my ego kept me from the truth for a long time. I had learned the hard way. I ended up in a mental Hospital and no treatment realy help me. After I got to my lowest part in my life I sumitted to a deliverance meeting and received much help. That was back in 1992. I am no longer in a mental Hospital, they kick me out. They said I was doing very well and I did not belong there no more. So the last 14 years I have study and learn about Deliverance and Deliverance Ministries. When it comes to letting people laying hands on me for prayer. First I must know somethings about them. Second before I submit to prayer I pray in my mind what it says in Matt. ch.18 verse 18. Whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven. I bind any spirits that would transfer from the person praying with me. I also bind any spirits that might transfer from me to others when I pray for them. You see I have learn in my own life it takes months and sometmes years to find out where other problems in my life has pop up and I needed more deliverance. At first I was fearful also. It is normal to have some fear of the unknown. After my first time of getting help my fear turn to courage, stronger Faith and looking forward to kicking the powers of darkness out of me and helping others to receive the same freedom.
amen brother that's a powerful testimony. you said you bind demons that may transfer to you from others- that's real biblical wisdom- as its straight from Jesus.
thanks so much for encouraging and helping me learn more.
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I believe this is true

Post by ms_samara83 » Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:42 am

My friend at this church told me how the pastor layed hands on a fellow whom was upset, when he did the guy started screaming violently and ran out the santuary. I believe demons can be transfered this way unless God has truly annoited you with this gift. Besides that this pastor had alot of lustful, controlling demons on him. After learning more about spiritual warfare I discerned a jezebel spirit on him too because of the things he did. I ended up leaving the church because of sexually advances that were made towards me.

I believe people are called to lay hands like my mothers pastor does, but you do need to have true discernment from the Holy Spirit to tell the real from the fake. Ask God to reveal the truth...He always does.

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Post by Elijah2 » Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:04 am

YES YES YES!!!

After many years of experience you know how to avoid those people who you don't want to lay hands ons either, because of these sorts of things.

YEP, Derek Prince was right one.

But, the hardest of all is that, how do you avoid some clamering Christians who just can't resist to lay hands on someone.

I know now, that those who are not cleansed or set free, keep well and truly away from me. I guess it's their demons.

Be very wary who you allow to to lay hands on your temple.

I remember a chap in the FGBMF who attended a RAKI course of healing. Everyone claimed that after he laid hands on them they felt terrible, and flat.

Of course another way, is to cover yourself in HIS BLOOD, and ask HIM for protection from those who are laying hands on you. In doing so, those who are not cleansed or free will avoid you.

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Post by seekyefirst » Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:24 am

From my experience and research, laying hands on someone is NOT necessary to deliver unless the Holy Spirit calls for it. Jesus was never reported laying hands on his demon possessed subjects.

As far as them spreading or leaving the host to invade the deliverer. This is not possible unless the one delivering is riddle with sin and has openings for the demon to invade. Of course anyone going forth with a deliverance shoudl be prayed up and covered in the blood. Im sure this obvious.

Ive read and heard of the deliverer being ignorant enough to ask the demons to come into them. This shoudl never be done ever. Hopefully this is also obvious.

As well- fear of this happening will only energize and excite the demon which will hurt the effectiveness of the delivereance.
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