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Question About Pastors (and level of errors/)

Post by AdrienneC » Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:16 pm

Hi,

I know that not everyone is perfect and I'm seeking the LORD about this for myself. If a pastor says something (or things) that are incorrect, should a person just pray about but keep going there. He said somethings that kind of bug me, but he DOES preach the Cross or Christ! (and I know that's the most important thing and they have communion every week--that's good)So I guess as long as he's doing that everything is minor?!? (One example of something that I did not agree with is him saying that all miracles come from God, which is not correct according to Rev. 16:14 and Rev. 19:20; And he also said that anyone that does not get healed, doesn't have enough faith. (That may be true in some cases, but I don't believe that for everyone. Also Peter had plenty of faith and God left the thorn in the flesh and said "HIS GRACE IS SUFFICIENT") I'm only a visitor at the church and I really don't feel comfortable enough yet to pull him aside. He said that God called Him to be a pastor, which I do believe. But if that's true, couldn't God correct him. (God corrects me when I'm in the wrong?!?)

Thanks,

Adrienne

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Post by AdrienneC » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:51 pm

Correction: I meant to say no one is perfect (except for Jesus)!--in previous post.

I also went back and read some of the other topics. Could someone pray with me to make the right decision. I really desire to have a home church again. Even though everything I said in the previous message was true, I feel like sometimes I'm purposely trying to find something wrong so that I won't be deceived and be hurt again. I really want to give people the benefit of the doubt! (I have been controlled and manipulated in other churches.. And I don't know what to make of this one yet.


Thanks,

Adrienne

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Post by DoorTwelve » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:34 pm

Dear Adrienne:
I can see your confusion in your letter and sometimes when you are dealing with the household of faith it may not be easy to share information when someone, like your Pastor ,may have such strong convictions,for years I believed Christians could not be possessed
only to find out later that exorcisms are a huge need for the believer,as well as some other things God has corrected me on issues like the importance
of the Sabbath specifically Sunday remaining Holy always, even now when most Christians cannot always attend on Sunday because many work. I had what you might call misconceptions ,but I have always said that if you approach a Pastor and he is unwilling to even explain his position in a reasonable and kind manner you might be in the wrong place. A pastor first and foremost I believe should tend kindly and patiently to his flock! Not being arrogant
or prideful but rather stern in love and humble before God. A Pastor should be a man you would love to approach and speak with even if the
conversation doesn't have the most pleasant topic! wouldn't you say this is how we should feel? It doesn't mean he won't correct us or preach a little fire and brimstone it just means that if you ask him for a hug and reassurance he is always there for both! Now all situations are different
and I believe God is working with alot of His people about some misconceptions they may have taken to themselves however if we do all we do in love and we walk humbly with our God we will always find a way!
In that day they will say, "Surely this is our God; we trusted in him, and he saved us. This is the LORD, we trusted in him; let us rejoice and be glad in his salvation."(Isaiah 25:6-9)

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What does God tell you?

Post by mike3 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:28 pm

AdrienneC,

I know how you feel! Can you hear God's recommendation? Have you asked Him? If so and He is silent then ask Him what you need to learn about the situation.

Pastors are generally good men who have often sacrificed material wealth and regular jobs to serve Jesus. They are not perfect but I believe they strive to be what God wants them to be.

Sometimes I don't agree w/my pastor. But I do believe I was called to be at his church, so I stay.

Ask God to let you know what to do. I believe He is faithful and will give you and answer.

God Bless and keep you,

mike
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Thank you for your responses

Post by AdrienneC » Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:41 pm

I really appreciate your responses. And I will continue to seek God in the matter. (I have another question, I read the article about Saints Vs. Sinners. This pastor teaches that we are sinners saved by grace. He even said that he was a sinner. And wanted everyone to raise their hands saying they were sinners saved by grace, when he asked if we were sinners saved by grace. Is this a big deal. When I used to attend Pentecostal services they would teach that we are "Saints". (no longer sinners). But in the book of I John it says that everyone sins, and if you say otherwise then you're a liar. (I John 1:8) I'm kind of confused?

Thanks for your patience everyone!

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Post by mike3 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:18 pm

AdrienneC

I don't have time to cut and paste scriptures but here is what I believe...

Folks that view themselves as saved sinners are:

`Less likely to believe they have authority in Jesus for casting out demons, healing diseases and sharing Jesus with others.
(Saints can walk in the authority of Jesus and do what He did)

`More likely to accept demonic attacks as 'wages for their sin', just sitting there in the attack because 'I deserve to be miserable'.
(Saints can see themselves as forgiven and walk in repentance and unwilling to accept attacks lighty.)

`Less likely to provide Grace to themselves and others as 'sinners need to be rebuked often and repeatedly'. They eat their wounded.
(Saints would direct mercy and grace to those who suffer and endeavor to them up)

`More likely to be judgemental (similar to the above) but having little joy in their salvation.
(Saints can find God in the small things and take joy in them. Look at the those who stumble and gently correcting them. Covering them not laying them open for criticism)

`More likely to backslide because their relationships with the Almighty are based on Fear of discipline and less on Intimacy and Love relationship with the Holy Lord. Because they are not perfect they can give up on pursuing Holiness and rightness w/the Most High.
(Saints see their relationships with Jesus as something worth perserving. They can allow the Lord to pour into them with cleansing and are quick repenters)

`More likely to burn out in religious service instead receiving strength from Waiting on (intwining with) the Lord.
(Saints can't wait to get to church and generally walk in the strength of the Lord)

`Less likely to be led by the Almighty and more likely to be led by the traditions of men.
(Self explanatory)
`More likely to have a Sin focus and less of a Intimacy focus.
(Saints focus on the relationship with Jesus as the leading focus in their lives.)

These are my thoughts. I lived the saved sinner lifestyle and am moving toward freedom. Others may disagree. I'm not splitting hairs. There is lots of room for interpretation.

Bless are You O Lord Our God King of the Universe Who deals with us as individuals supporting us when we are weak and helping us up when we fall.

Mike
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Post by Robert L » Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:30 pm

mike3 wrote:Folks that view themselves as saved sinners are:

`Less likely to believe they have authority in Jesus for casting out demons, healing diseases and sharing Jesus with others.
(Saints can walk in the authority of Jesus and do what He did)

`More likely to accept demonic attacks as 'wages for their sin', just sitting there in the attack because 'I deserve to be miserable'.
(Saints can see themselves as forgiven and walk in repentance and unwilling to accept attacks lighty.)

`Less likely to provide Grace to themselves and others as 'sinners need to be rebuked often and repeatedly'. They eat their wounded.
(Saints would direct mercy and grace to those who suffer and endeavor to them up)

`More likely to be judgemental (similar to the above) but having little joy in their salvation.
(Saints can find God in the small things and take joy in them. Look at the those who stumble and gently correcting them. Covering them not laying them open for criticism)

`More likely to backslide because their relationships with the Almighty are based on Fear of discipline and less on Intimacy and Love relationship with the Holy Lord. Because they are not perfect they can give up on pursuing Holiness and rightness w/the Most High.
(Saints see their relationships with Jesus as something worth perserving. They can allow the Lord to pour into them with cleansing and are quick repenters)

`More likely to burn out in religious service instead receiving strength from Waiting on (intwining with) the Lord.
(Saints can't wait to get to church and generally walk in the strength of the Lord)

`Less likely to be led by the Almighty and more likely to be led by the traditions of men.
(Self explanatory)

`More likely to have a Sin focus and less of a Intimacy focus.
(Saints focus on the relationship with Jesus as the leading focus in their lives.)
This is beautifully put and right on! :wave:
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It was the religious folks who hated and murdered the Son of God.
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Re: Thank you for your responses

Post by Robert L » Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:37 pm

AdrienneC wrote:I really appreciate your responses. And I will continue to seek God in the matter. (I have another question, I read the article about Saints Vs. Sinners. This pastor teaches that we are sinners saved by grace. He even said that he was a sinner. And wanted everyone to raise their hands saying they were sinners saved by grace, when he asked if we were sinners saved by grace. Is this a big deal. When I used to attend Pentecostal services they would teach that we are "Saints". (no longer sinners). But in the book of I John it says that everyone sins, and if you say otherwise then you're a liar. ( I John 1:8 ) I'm kind of confused?

Thanks for your patience everyone!
I believe 1 John 1:8 is geared towards non-believers. It says the same thing as in Romans where "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God"... thereby showing us that we ALL need to accept Jesus to have our sins forgiven.

Saints are not immune from the capability to sin. The truth is that when you accepted Jesus, you were born again and made a new creation in Christ. That is speaking of your spirit (the real you), but your soul (mind, will and emotions) is not born again. We are told in the Bible to be transformed by the renewing of our minds (according to the Word of God). This would not be necessary if our souls were made new the moment we accepted Jesus.

This soul vs spirit subject is the very reason why Christians can have demons and also be held in other spiritual darkness (lust, porn, addictions, etc.) long after they have accepted Jesus.

This does not mean we can excuse our sin. The Bible tells us to live a life that is holy and honorable before the Lord: 1 Peter 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. When we fail, let us be quick to repent and turn from it. God will forgive us and make us clean again!

I encourage you to read a new teaching just published the other day on who we really are.

www.greatbiblestudy.com/who_we_really_are.php

Blessings! :wave:
Robert
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It was the religious folks who hated and murdered the Son of God.
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Post by DoorTwelve » Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:15 am

Hi AdrienneC
I believe God is going to answer in His good timing,I have prayed and this is all I can really say,we should seek every way possible to become closer to God and y'know He will open and shut the doors we are not
supposed to travel through. One of my favorite people always says
"God never sends you somewhere He hasn't prepared you to go!,
your always in one of two places with God all the time and that is the place where He is preparing you or the place God has sent you!"
The biggest evidence of this sometimes is in maybe the loss of a job or a transfer or maybe a new home to move into but rest assured your never going to go before God and say "Didn't you know?" God knew all the things of your life before you were born and His plan to provide is already in place!
I always remember one other thing and that is this "your to be a faithful steward" which I believe means you approach things in a responsible manner with effort,seek help when you can,expand your horizons within reason and let God do the rest! :smile:
In that day they will say, "Surely this is our God; we trusted in him, and he saved us. This is the LORD, we trusted in him; let us rejoice and be glad in his salvation."(Isaiah 25:6-9)

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