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Post by RevSteve » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:36 am


I would love to hear some thoughts on the subject of pornography addiction. For example, if a Spirit-filled Christian who understands deliverance still has occasional issues with pornography, what would be the reason he/she could not get total deliverance through casting out, renouncing, and rebuking? I know of such cases.

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Post by Robert L » Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:14 am

Steve, this is a great subject to explore!

If it's a burning desire that keeps cropping up, then there's probably a reason. If it's a simple temptation once in a while, then it may be normal. There is a huge difference between being tempted, and being driven though, so if the person keeps falling into the sin, then I would look into it further.

There are various reasons why a person may not be set free from pornography addictions, or any bondage for that matter. I have the most common ones listed here:

www.greatbiblestudy.com/how_deliverances_fail.php

Concerning addictions, there can be quite a few things involved. Typically, when a person is found caught in an addictive behavior, there's a reason for it. Some good questions to ask would be: When did it start? Why is it there? What is lacking in their life (love, etc.) that is not being fulfilled? Or perhaps, what is troubling them inside that they are attempting to escape from?

For example, some people have awful struggles with food or alcohol addictions. You can cast out all the spirits relating to the bondage, but if we fail to minister to the roots of their bondage, they can re-open the door for those spirits quite easily. For example, if a woman is divorced and deeply hurt by the whole experience, and turned to food and alcohol to submerge the problem (rather than address it), it can open her up to spirits of addiction, gluttony, etc. When a person turns to an addictive behavior to escape reality, we call it escapism, and yes, it can open them up for a spirit infection (unclean spirits). While it is vital to get rid of the demons, it is also vital to address the root of the problem, which is what opened the door to them in the first place. Perhaps the woman needs to extend forgiveness towards her ex-husband, and open her inner pain and turmoil up to the Holy Spirit to receive inner healing to the emotional wounds.

Concerning pornography itself, it is my understanding that it is often an addiction that enters the scene because there is a lack of love during the person's upbringing. Perhaps they did not receive the love that they should have from a parent. Falling into pornography was a way to find that love another way. Such a person may also have a spirit of rejection, which is hindering them from properly perceiving love from others (including God), and makes them feel, well, rejected. It is vital for such a person to come to know the love of God for them, and receive that love.

Some other things I would consider would be:

a) Are all the demons being cast out? Or do some remain? I would go after spirits of rejection, addiction, lust, pornography, and any other related spirits. Demons are usually found in groupings (lust, porn, etc.) and need to be cast out accordingly. Casting out all the demons in a group, could leave the possibility of that one demon re-opening the door (causing the person to fail in just the right way) to the other demons to return.

b) Could there be a case of disassociation involved, where there's inner wounds that must be ministered to and healed? Sometimes a person can go through such traumatic experience, that their mind cannot cope with the overwhelming pain, and therefore a part of them locks up and separates itself from the rest of that person's mind. This is called an alter, and must receive proper healing and deliverance as well. Demons can reside in these parts of the person's mind just as they can in other parts of the person's mind and must be dealt with accordingly. Another possibility, is if there are one or more demons inside alters in them, which are being overlooked.

c) If they are married... are they being satisfied by their mate? Are they doing what God requires of them to satisfy each other? Lack of sexual needs being met can cause a person to be tempted by looking elsewhere for that love. The Bible warns against this:

Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
1 Corinthians 7:5


I'm sure there are other things that may play a factor, but those are the ones on the top of my mind. Let me know what your thoughts are!

Take care brother!
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Post by ServantofJesus » Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:42 am

Thank you Robert. I enjoyed that. It was very good.

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Post by gabby247771 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:42 pm

Well said,, and well understood,,,

I came across a man,, who too was addicted to pornography,,, after saved,,,they found in his generation back,,his father and father and father up to 10 generations back had the same issue then his SON also has the same issue...so...they broke off that curse,,,cast out the sucubus demon behind his addiction,,and his son also,,and now is totally free from all pronography and lust thoughts of other woman,,
that was thier case,,,but it brought it to my attention and thought I would share,,
I agree,,the ROOT ROOT ROOT is always the factor..

ROOT IT UP!!!!

also the scriptures say about Holy Hornets,,,and it was explained to me ( after years of researching this area by a deliverance minister) he found the Holy Hornet Angels are the ones that go seek and find those demonic forces in hiding and actually assist in deliverance to seek those spirits in hiding,,,so we do use them now in my deliverance and they do work diligintely to seek those in hiding,,

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Post by RevSteve » Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:44 pm


Robert & Gabby, you both made some very good points. There is a lot to consider. I am very much involved in helping people with addictions. I have a long history of dealing with them, but sometimes it is extremely difficult to get to the root causes. I do know that we have a tendency to hide away things from our childhood that were very traumatic, but until I started reading posts on this forum I had never heard of "alters." At least I had never heard of the word, or seen these hidden areas as living entities, as I believe I see you all saying. I don't get this aspect where someone posts and says, "I am an alter." But, I am with you on all the rest. Thanks for sharing on that.
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Post by Robert L » Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:02 pm

RevSteve wrote:
Robert & Gabby, you both made some very good points. There is a lot to consider. I am very much involved in helping people with addictions. I have a long history of dealing with them, but sometimes it is extremely difficult to get to the root causes. I do know that we have a tendency to hide away things from our childhood that were very traumatic, but until I started reading posts on this forum I had never heard of "alters." At least I had never heard of the word, or seen these hidden areas as living entities, as I believe I see you all saying. I don't get this aspect where someone posts and says, "I am an alter." But, I am with you on all the rest. Thanks for sharing on that.
Steve,

This is what the forum is here for... to share and grow together, and asking good questions is great because not only do we learn from one another, but all those passing by are learning as well. I won't claim to be an expert, but I do my best! Praise God!

When I first heard of alters, I thought the people were out of their minds... I thought for sure that they were demons that were fooling the ministers, and folks were being horribly mislead. As time went on, the evidence for alters became overwhelming. Ministers who didn't believe in them were hitting roadblocks that those who did believe in them were able to break through. Truth has it, the ministers who are knowledgeable and working with the alters, are bringing miraculous healing and restoration in people's lives, that nobody else can seem to minister!

Today, I am a firm believer in educating others in the area of Disassociation. It is a vital and very important key to the freedom and healing in the lives of scores of hurt and bound individuals. I am working on a teaching on disassociation and how to minister healing and freedom to such people. I can't wait to publish it on the GBS web site! It's going to explain how the process work, how alters are formed, why they are "separate" from the rest of the person, etc.

Anyways, when an alter surfaces, you might say, 'that part of their mind takes over', and that is what causes the person to come here and say, "I am an alter"... it is the actual person's physical body and fingers that are doing the typing and such, but instead of them communicating out of the core part of their mind, they are communicating out of an area that has been locked off from the rest of their mind.... it's sort of like a different person talking, because it opens up a whole new world that is likely hidden from the core person (including a lot of hurtful memories, etc.). In a deliverance session with somebody who has disassociated, it is vital to get the alters to open up and release the pain, trauma, emotional wounds, etc., so that they can receive healing from the Holy Spirit to that area of the person's life.

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Post by RevSteve » Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:01 pm

Anyways, when an alter surfaces, you might say, 'that part of their mind takes over', and that is what causes the person to come here and say, "I am an alter"... it is the actual person's physical body and fingers that are doing the typing and such, but instead of them communicating out of the core part of their mind, they are communicating out of an area that has been locked off from the rest of their mind.... it's sort of like a different person talking, because it opens up a whole new world that is likely hidden from the core person (including a lot of hurtful memories, etc.). In a deliverance session with somebody who has disassociated, it is vital to get the alters to open up and release the pain, trauma, emotional wounds, etc., so that they can receive healing from the Holy Spirit to that area of the person's life.


Are we talking about people having several personalities? For example, if I had an alter and my alter typed on this forum, would I recognize it if I read it later?

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RE: Alters

Post by gabby247771 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:08 pm

I wanted to respond and try not to get in depth,,
When I found I had alters,,the first thing came to my ind was "Cybil"..I was like O noooooo,,,now Im a freak..lol...
nah,,actually it is a blessing how God has given us the ability to take that pain within ourselves,,now that I know what I do.,,, as I look back,,it would explain why at certain ages in my life I acted like I did,,
ex: at about 30 I was out running with my son (10) and his little friends being all coooool...jamming to the radioooooo...playing nintendooooooo....ect... and thats not like ME,,, and there were other times I found some were more lustful,sensual,some seductive,and ME...nah I could careless HA,,, but now I understand why,,,those were the parts that were pulled out during times of my life..Well....the kids think mom isnt so much fun any more HA!! no more running around in the Red Camaro jamming to music,,,
But,,with that said,,here comes the ROUGH part... I didnt know all this ..and was on the internet,,,and was chatting to some guy,,,and before the end of the week,,,I had taken an oath..a pact of acceptance under deciet,,here is the twist,,,it wasnt ME that took the oath,,it was an alter.....
Sooooo,,,after months of discovering that,,I now try to tell Ppl be SOOOOOOOOOOOOO careful in who you talk too.. I have not talke to anyone in almost a year till now..and this is the ONLY place I will talk...
It is so so so so easy for the person on the OTHER end of the compter to decieve you,,,and who you THINK your talking to,,may not be the person you think it is,,
in a nutshell..this "person" (I believe was sent by satan to set me up on an assignment on my life and waited till the right opprtunity) was a satanist.. full blown Warlock,,KNEW I had multiples...and messed with ALL of them..and gave them ALL names (and attached demons to them) ..
I ONLY say this because of the danger of the internet,,and having teenagers I warn them all the time,then BOOM it landed right in MY lap...

Be VIGILIANT at ALL times,,,know your advesaries,,,and enemies,,,keep one eye open all the time,,
Satan and his army just wait for the perfect moment to pounce...
But,,Praise God,,He is greater,,he is our deliverer and he will neve never never Forsake us..

So I guess ppl with alters need to be veryyy cautious ,,, I just want awareness,,, I do NOT want ANYONE to be decieved as I was...

have blessed day!!

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Post by Debbie122 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:53 pm

Donna,
I am so sorry you had to deal with all of this....thank you for being so open....the more we know the better off we are.....I pray for God's revelation, discernment and wisdom to us all. I love the questions and the openess.....Thank You ALL so much!
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Thank you

Post by sheila » Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:57 pm

Thank you Gabby for your post. I told Jay on paper that I knew I definately had alters, yet I can not remember them. I do know that after my divorce, I became very different. At one point not long ago, I even told a doctor that I did not feel like myself. I was angry all the time, people bothered me, I just wanted to be left alone, by everyone. They were so stupid and just got in my way. I was moody, irrititable, cranky and just plain ugly.
This was so unlike me. So unfamiliar. I hated being this way. I was depressed (which was not new) and became literally a different person.

Now, hear is another testimony to God, this woman I just picked out of the blue to go see, told me " Your problem is not physical, it is a spiritual problem". She went on to tell me she did missionary work in 3rd world countries where these people were demon possessed. She asked me if I read my Bible and I told her I couldnt. She asked, "why not" and I told her when I read my Bible I only saw the negative and felt worse than if I didnt read it. She told me again. "There is no medicine that will help your spritual problem".

Thank you God for sending me to this woman who would not treat me for depression, hormone imbalance, ect. Who told me what my problem was. :clapping:

I thank God for giving me another chance. I thank God for opening my heart enough to see what the "real" problem was/is. :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

I thank God for the reminder to pick up my cross and follow him daily. How can you forget to remember to include HIM daily when there is a spiritual war going on in my home and in my life!!!!!!!! PRAISE GOD :clapping: :clapping:

Thank you for posting so it may help others Gabby and all of you who contribute.
In God's Love, Sheila

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Post by mike3 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:17 pm

Gabby,

Talk to us about Holy Hornets? Where are you referring in the bible?

What has been your experience?

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Post by Robert L » Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:13 am

RevSteve wrote:Are we talking about people having several personalities? For example, if I had an alter and my alter typed on this forum, would I recognize it if I read it later?
Disassociation is also known as MPD or Multiple Personality Disorder. The modern term is Disassociation Identity Disorder. You may manifest an alter which comes to the forum, and posts a message, then have what they call a switch, and have no idea that it even took place. In other cases, you may be aware of what the alters do when they manifest. It really depends.
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Post by RevSteve » Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:46 am

Robert L wrote:
You may manifest an alter which comes to the forum, and posts a message, then have what they call a switch, and have no idea that it even took place.

Well, that leaves me to another question, brother. Do the board moderators check IP adresses and match them so they can tell the people who have posted as alters what has happened in order to help them?
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Post by mike3 » Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:56 pm

Yes

It helps me determine how to respond.

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Post by Debbie122 » Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:46 pm

So you check IP addreses to see if one alter or another is talking??? So do I have to get a drifferent sign on?? Can I just use hers????

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