Liviathian

[rodneyweg]

I think we ought to look at the Word. Job's Leviathan is clearly a dragon. Revelation 12: 9 speaks of the Devil and Satan as that old serpent, the great dragon. Revelation 20: 2 repeats the dragon for Satan and the devil.

I respect the opinions that I've read. It seems, however, as though demons like to claim to be Leviathan, but this is their boss' title.

A dragon is either an animal in the spirit world or what serpents looked like before they were cursed. Serpents now travel on their bellies since they were cursed by God in Geneses.

rodneyweg

[Jewels]

I do belive that a deaf and dumb spirit can cause symproms of autism.
I also think that all that we are talkign about could be keys that im being given to understand the spiritual dynamics behind the sitiation with Ben.
I cant focus on how hard its to dislodge this because that just a faith killer. ... theres a way and Jesus knows what that is and will provide... in this battle. Jesus defeated teh devil... Jesus is the healer of the autiistic and He My Jesus is NOT intimated by this!
I have wondered if serpnets looked like dragons before the fall. I do think thats possible....

[MagisterMagus]

[msproverbs31]

There are teachings on the deaf and dumb spirit, however, do not believe it is proper protocal to post them here.

I will share with from a PERSONAL realm.

I noticed that would teach my son the word of God and then we would go to church and the minister would share the exact thing I told him! However, for some reason my son was totally oblivous to this.

In the past teachers have shared that they believe my son was ADD or ADHD (recently he tested ADD).

When I asked God about this - this spirit of God TOLD me it was a deaf and dumb spirit.

If you study scripture this particular spirit operated in the boy whose father petition Christ for his deliverance.

This spirit caused the boy to act like a lunic.

I do not believe it was called deaf and dumb (sorry I believe it is called deaf not death) because the boy could not speak or hear. Scripture says this spirit would through him in the fire and that the boy would foam at the mouth -Sounds like a lunitic spirit but Christ called it a deaf and dumb spirit. It seeks to shut the eyes of a person understanding and bind the mouth from speaking or sharing what is on their hearts or mind.

This spirit seeks to break-down, destroy and halt all forms of communication. Hard to explain but if a person can not understand what is being said then it can not communicate, learn or grow. It's like your speaking a foreign language to that person.

If if can enter at a young age (babies) then it is more effective.

As my son began to develop - I truly believe the ONLY reason why the didn't lable him as such was because of my confession - the devil knew it would he would be hard press to get me to believe that one and that I would vehemently fight those words.

They told me when my son was young that he had asthma - I told them NO. Thinking because my brother and his father had asthma I knew what that looked like and my son did not display those sytems as time moved on it was discovered that he need his tonsils and anoids removed and tubes in his ear. However, upon looking back on this and examining everything on what I know about asthma NOW - it is possible that their diagnoses was correct BUT because I refused to recieve those words - they didn't stick.

I believe as parents when can fight this at the beginning stages when doctors speak those things - we have to stand firm against those words in the beginning and NOT allow the words to take root. I believe many, many children have been missed diagnosed but because the parents did not know the power of words - the agreed with the negative report. Hence binding their children to those words.

I'm still learning much in this area - but I do know just from what God has shown me Autism, ADD/ADHD are related to this spirit as it seeks to attack ones understanding and ability to communicate.

I hope that helps - just sharing what God has spoken to me.

holyspirit

[Jewels]

Yes.
I personelly belive the boy that Jesus delivered when he came of the mount of trnasformation may have been diagnosed as autistic today.....
The symptoms are just to painfully close to over look.
Why?
1. Jesus called it a deaf and dumb spirit. The auitistic often dont talk and act as thought they cant hear.
2. The father i think told Jesus that the son had been like this from a child. Often autism is diagnosed is early childhood.
3. The child had fits. The autistic have fits thought they vary. Not all have siesures but they canm have tantrumns that are self abusive.
4/ The child craved fire and water.
I agree that we cant agree with the diagnoses the doctors give. I try not tot call Ben autistic. I say when i have to talk to peopel who are cluless about healing and walking in faith that he is daignosed by doctors as autistic. Ben is healed. Ben is well. I refuse to call him the ' A' word.....Yes.. to do this one needs some level of revealtion and courage. We must see out kids as HEALED> Jesus has already healed the autistic and in the heavens it is established. We MUST Put out words inline with ourt fathers words an call things that be not as though they were!
Then of course,,, theres deliverence which i am now in thought for itsd taking time.Im in a proces sof renoucing all generational sins that may have set our family up.... I have seen freedom and great help from the lord and Ben has been visibally improving.'
But to ansewer.. yes in my heart io belive that the symptoms of autism can be caused by the deaf and dumb spirit.
But this info is like dymamite as alot of peopel will think im wacky......But Jesus is greater then thease spiritual enties and has the KEY to freedom.
But... one has to listen to God. There are steps to freedom. Ben has the support and prayers of a beliveing church and has been anointed twice i think with oil. That was a important step.
I have online friends that pray for Ben so he is covered.
I am keeping a positive confession.... speaking Gods word over Ben.
The anointing through music and the word are his companions almost nigth and day.
I am as his mom am in personel; deliverence... sorting with the help of the Holy spirit all generational claims any of my family through sins have commited that have made a stronghold in this area.
Its not just one thing that God is using to manifest Bens freedom but several things.
One day and its soon maybe even today ... Ben will shock the world when he after 11 years of silence... wakes up... and talks. ts going to happen./ Ben will talk... and the world will be astounded and know that Jesus christ is the answer to all the autistics . I wont have to tell them so much.. Ben will tell them!
I do want to s ay thought that if u have your child in a special school and diet those things are good to. so im not throwing out the secular ways we can help out kids. Lets not get weird.Do not alow fear to get a grip..
Jesus healed us all. When Jesus alowed his back to be beated he alowed it for Ben. Bens is healed. Ben is well.. Ben is he WAS autistic but is now healed by God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
It is DONE!

[msproverbs31]

Jewels I'm in agreement and I say be it unto you according to your faith in JESUS NAME - AMEN!!!

Love You Sis!!!

holyspirit

[MagisterMagus]

But I'm looking for specific scripture where it says anywhere where these spirits exist. ie: Leviathan I don't remember him being mentioned anywhere in the bible. Maybe i just missed it.

The other thing I wanted to mention was the fact that not children who have autism are 'dumb and deaf' Some have varying degrees of it such as aspbergers syndrome. It is a autism spectral disorder and actually the children I work with and my little brother all are very high functioning and intelligent. He can hold normal conversations, does not throw himself on the ground, and can speak, read, and write perfectly normally for a child his age. I don't really see how this logic works when talking about spirits possessing poeple. But maybe if you show me a few examples of what you mean in the bible or something in a study or something I can understand better. It's a little hard to understand how you know something just because god told you it.

note: I'm sorry if I sound rude or pushy, I'm not trying to be. I just don't quite understand all the concepts everyone is talking about 100%

[AriBunny]

Well, COOL then.... maybe I can help shed some light in on the subject!!

1. Job 3:8
May those who curse days curse that day, those who are ready to rouse Leviathan.
Job 3:7-9 (in Context) Job 3 (Whole Chapter)
2. Job 41:1
"Can you pull in the leviathan with a fishhook or tie down his tongue with a rope?
Job 41:1-3 (in Context) Job 41 (Whole Chapter)
3. Psalm 74:14
It was you who crushed the heads of Leviathan and gave him as food to the creatures of the desert.
Psalm 74:13-15 (in Context) Psalm 74 (Whole Chapter)
4. Psalm 104:26
There the ships go to and fro, and the leviathan, which you formed to frolic there.
Psalm 104:25-27 (in Context) Psalm 104 (Whole Chapter)
5. Isaiah 27:1
[ Deliverance of Israel ] In that day, the LORD will punish with his sword, his fierce, great and powerful sword, Leviathan the gliding serpent, Leviathan the coiling serpent; he will slay the monster of the sea.
Isaiah 27:1-3 (in Context) Isaiah 27 (Whole Chapter)

There he is in scripture...

Now on autism??

There are spiritual roots to autism... as well as natural ones....

The spiritual ones are:

Disorder of the home: jezebelic wife/ahab husband, where the wife makes the decisions and the male stays silent and doesn't lead the home cos of his fear of the wife and what she can/will do. This DOES NOT have to happen in this generation, meaning, it can be brought on by generations of the past that were like that, so it's generational in that way.

Deaf/dumb/mute spirit. It can be cast out, but in most cases I've seen it healed rather than as an instant miracle... meaning, you pray pray pray and stand on God's word and they leave.. it's generally not over night, but it DOES happen cos God's word in revelations says we overcame by the blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony. This can ALSO be generational as well, so when you are praying against it, hit all the generations from the person all the way back on BOTH sides of the family to adam and eve.

The masonic... I've never seen a case of autism that didn't SOMEWHERE have roots in the masonic... maybe not THIS generation, but SOMEWHERE in the blood line there was a family member that was a mason or illuminati member.

Physical roots: MMR/vaccinations: Yes the child shot that they get as infants.... the MMR contains a plethora of horrid things mainly mercury and the demon mercury found in the MMR and various others is one of the main bucks that affiliates itself to autism.


Even the spectrum disorders as well. These are the roots. They are of course ALL DIFFERENT, cos of the different ancestors or whatever, but these are the things in common with each one.

I WAS autistic, I HAD asperger's sndrome, and I HAD ADD. I was a mess at one time. Tho yes, HIGHLY intelligent, (IQ=160 and mensa level) I have 6.5 years of university education and a couple of medical degrees, one in nursing, I've studied extensively in the medical field as well.

I went to Jay's church, and these roots were dealt with, and over a process of years past and then at Jay's church they left, Then a deliverance by John (D-12) to remove what was left of the masonic roots....and finally dealing with mercury with Sam... and after all of the above, ALL of the demons left, and I no longer have these afflictions. Strip away the roots, and the demons can't function, and can easily be commanded out. Some take longer than others, as tho these are basic roots they are intertwined and have to be dismantled, or untangled but I am living proof and testimony that it's possible and that Jesus is INDEED the great physician.

It'll take an EXPERIENCED prayer warrior and a willingness to change behaviours (as in jez/ahab complex) and prayer and fasting but I am living proof like I say that NOTHING is impossible with God.

You change the behaviours and remove the root causes then the demons no longer have any legal grounds and can easily be told to get out in the name of Jesus.

It takes time, tho, as some of the tangled mess of root causes and intertwined things have to be patiently removed one by one, but after years of fighting, it was VERY successful at the hands of God, and Jay here on the forum. The last demon to go was mercury and we had no idea at the time that it played a part in it... but it was TOTALLY removed. I must say it was really really really weird the first few months as my brain was TOTALLY rewired at first, and I couldn't even remember simple words like couch and table at first, but after trying over and over the connections were more stable, and now I am happy to say I'm totally free. The only thing that DID remain was this intelligence as you've mentioned, and I have a specialised job in nursing, which I was HORRIFIED about losing, cos the autism gave me special abilities to order things and make straightness out of chaos, and I am pleased to say that Jesus UNDERSTOOD and left me that ability to bring order out of chaos in my nursing field... which is even MORE amasing!!!
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[msproverbs31]

Now it's my turn to say WOW!!!!

Good stuff!

holyspirit

[Jewels]

Amen to much of what Air bunny said.
I agree it can take time as it with my son.I have been in prayer counseling delaing with root issues 7 months.Its little by little .. precept by precept but in 7 monthes of carefully wadding through the murcky waters of deep generational sin... i have seen alot of improvm,ent in Ben so much i know its not coincendece. ........ I have seen with my own eyes a change in Ben and even a little in myself that tells me are on the right road.
Its great that ' autism; has not affected this little boy in the way it has tried in my family and countless others. But for some autism is more then just a quirkness or oddness that slighly elevates one a little differently then others or gives them a shyness that prohinits full interrgation/. Its a CURSE that has afflicted soul and body intill the person has little quliaty of life and is stuck in many cases in state of toddler hood. This not the life God wants us to have.. ...
Standing on Gods word and following where ever the Lord leads is the key for us., . I dont fight it anymore or argue. I have seen with my eyes the gloruous change in my dear son throught deliverence ministry...
Its not for everyone ans if some choose the route of acceptanece and just learning to live with autism and trying to control ithrough secular means and learning techniues thats ok. But i want it ALL>.Thats 00% healing and i have got it through Jesus!
Go to the scripture in the word where Jessu threw out a deaf and dumb spirit out of a boy that even the dicplies couldent help/. Maybe someone knows where it is.. but there Jesus cast \out a spirit that in my mind had all the symptoms of autism. Autims can be very debaliting and severe.... resulting in what this boy had which are.
1. Not talking.
2. Appering not to hear or understand.
3. self mutilation.
4. deep craving fpor water and heat.
4. siesuures of mystery fits or tantums.
5. coming onto one in childhood.
This sounde like autism to me. It may be other things but it sounds like clasic autism in its severe form. Jesus said it was a deaf and Dumb spirit.. This is JESUS that called it this. .
I have also seen in my family this past week how words are being twisted in out conversations among family. Family will start to argue thinking one said something the other didint. This is wierd and it showing another tyle of comunciation breakdown which i think is this spirit showing itself.
Jesus is the healer. He as air bunny says seems to be using the method of slow and carefull healling process for Ben. So far nothing dramatic and traumatising. Im the one going throught he prayers and Ben gets the benifist. I with a prayer counselor ask God to help us and lead us and then pinpint areas in my life that seemn to have a stronghold. There we seek God for a area where generational sin may be bringing a curse. Then as Gopd reveals I repent and renouce and then am covered in prayer.....
I emerge alwayes a littl different and i see things with my eyes that ell me this is right. I wont argue with success.
But this time last year i ddint see it that way. I thought deliverence was casting out demons only and involved excersims. In many cases that may be so.. but its more then that and so far has involved my partciaption. Im the one going through the praying and Ben hes get s the blessings. God knows what we need! But i had to get low before i realised that we needed more then a quickie prayer .......
Im not a expert and i dont understand all this and im not syaing every one that is diagnosed needs this kind of minisrty. But many do and for some of us that have belive we need it ,, God has used it mightily to set the captive free.
Wont argue with sucess!

[AriBunny]

Family will start to argue thinking one said something the other didint. This is wierd and it showing another tyle of comunciation breakdown which i think is this spirit showing itself.


This itself is a spirit. It twists things, so what one person says is TOTALLY DIFFERENT than another person hears.... it's wild, and destructive. Causes fights galore, and is just rude... that stems from rejection, and the deaf and dumb spirit as well. It falls under confusion, but there was a woman who saw my brain there at my deliverance, her name is Kristi... she's AWESOME... well she heard from God that this is what was going on::

There is a cover, like a clear cover with red and blue wires, one side is supposed to be one colour and the other side the other colour. Well, what happened in MY case is that the wires were ALL crossed and mismatched. Well Jay took that and prayed against it and commanded that these things be set straight and they were. I can't TELL YOU HOW WEIRD that was cos it was like I was 2 again. ALL THINGS STOPPED, and I had to relearn things. I was worried about my career, but even THAT got better with that. w00t. GOD IS SO GOOD.

But yeah, that from what I hear has an effect on autism, like the brain is wired differently, and once the legal rights were removed and the demons commanded out, then the healing can begin... so with that kind of deliverance, well, it set things straight, and I've prayed for someone with autism, and that same thing came up, an easy way to pray it I guess would be something like...

I command all things that are not right in this mind to right now inthe name of Jesus to replace and reform the way that God would have the parts placed or replaced in Jesus name. Cover the mind with the Blood of Jesus and command it to line up with the Word of God in Jesus name.

The spirit of the first one is called something like twister? I dunno, name the function, you have the demon.. it's purpose is to cause confusion. Remove THAT and you've not got to go through that hell again!!!
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[Jewels]

If u think about it if liviathian is a serpent like crearure. , then it makes sense about the twisting and turning because thats what serpents do,. twist and wrap...
Its being exsposed. Thats a beautiful begging. Im starting to stop myself now and im watching for the miscomuciations... It really showed itself when i really thought my husband called me a idiot. It sounded like it but he says he did not say it..... That threw up a red flag.
I think in one of my sessions we touched on praying for Bens neuto traansmitters.
Im not done yet with the renoucations. I cant fly out to cCalifforni and do this in all one big swoop. So its a litte at a time. Mayny doing to much at once would be a shock.. God knows what hes doing and his timming and way for me and my family will work best for us.
I have had a good last few weeks. Theres a another level of change in Ben that has me very pleased.

[AriBunny]

Jewels from what I read and what I've observed, it doesn't HAVE to be all in one fell swoop.

Mine wasn't.

The deaf dumb and mute thing takes TIME... and, I'll tell you I was 42 at the time I went. 42 with a great career... and a LOT of medical knowledge.

MY deliverance (which is WHAT i wanted) was a long time of prayer but when it got cast out, it was all of a sudden.

TALK ABOUT HARSH.

I couldn't even remember common household names when Jesus rewired my mind. I felt like a mental mush. LITERALLY. I was afraid I had LOST MY MIND... COS it was all at once.


I'll give you a story. There was a deaf person who never heard ANYTHING all of his life. Ok well the docs came when he was in his like 30's and restored his hearing. HE NEARLY FREAKED. Cos he'snever HEARD noise, much less background noise and he almost lost it...


that's like autism and the deliverance> jesus knows what time it is, and wow, he's doing it nice and slow for Ben and that's AWESOME be glad. It's untangling one thread at a time, no harsh realities, just slow and sure and PAINLESS.

Like I said I had prayed for YEARS for a *BAM* deliverance and I GOT IT... cos I had THAT FAITH.... but it was HARSH and I thought I lost my mind, but I am thankful I got it that way cos that was the desire of my heart... it's what I asked God for...

But for Ben, a small child, thank God for His will in his timing. Too much too soon, REMEMBER autistic people are change INTOLERANT... could make him regress... this way, slow and steady progress he's ahead of the game every step of the way!!!!

With me, I STILL have idiosyncrosies and that's GOOD cos in mY job I am the top professional, and when they need someone to get to the bottom of something God;s equipped me and wow, it's INCREDIBLE, and I wouldn't change THAT for anything....

And, normal isn't the same for EVERY person. A normal person CAN NOT DO MY JOB. lol. A person that does not have the organisational skills that I have FROM AUTISM FAIL EVERY TIME THEY TRY. So like I said, it's gone, there is no autistic demon left there, but I am still nervous in social situations, am still slow to make friends, I am STILL EXTREMELY reluctant about change, (of any kind) but am now more functional in the world... a rounding out so to say. You may never get that kid that everyone wants, the star of the football field, or what have you, but what you WILL have (AND ALREADY HAVE) [and I KNOW You KNOW that] is an an AWESOME SON... the one who GOD WANTS HIM TO BE, and just more mellowed out.

Autistic/ADD/asperger's syndrome people have AMASING talents for organisation, for expertise in a field or so... they have the ability to HYPER FOCUS, which is something "normal" people can't... which makes a person VERY VERY sought after in certian careers.... Like mine for example. Computer technology is another. The spectrum disorders are the things that allow people to hyperfocus on problem solving, one way or another and the employers generally can't "live with out them" kind of thing... it's GREAT in that way.

So like I say God healed me, I am more normalised in some major areas but still maintain the ability to hyperfocus and that works synergistic in my career field. My husband doesn't mind it, my coworkers now that they have gotten to see WHO I am think I am more normal than they are. LOL. So I feel I have the best of BOTH worlds so to speak. I am open to every gift God's given. My family and kids love me for who I am, and some of my children are totally happy that I am the way I am cos with the way I raised them, 3 of them were collegiate level from the 4th grade on. I could have graduated at 12, and so the 3 of my kids as well. It wasn't a handicap on that level... it was a MAJOR plus. I had the ability to teach them in ways they understood, and they gained from it.

It sounds like you are a most AWESOME mommy, doing EVERYTHING to help your son in MAJOR ways, willing to change YOU to fit him, and that's commendable. What I was writing there is something to help you see that what standards that the world has for communication and relationships is not necessarily how EVERYONE is supposed to be. If the world was all the same, all people relating the same, and at the same levels, well we'd just have a rotten world.

I Bless God for your son, which I know you do every day... God's doing a great work in him and HE is the author and finisher of our faith, and HE accomplishes what HE sets out to do, which is healing, and delivering!!! His word will NOT return void, but it WILL accomplish what it has set out to do, it's not us, it's HIM and THANK YOU JESUS I STAND IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS MOTHER TO SEE HER SON HEALED... in Jesus name!!

THANK YOU JESUS!!!!
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[Jewels]

The Lord bless u Air Bunny!
I dont expect Ben to fit the mold of what the world calls cool or hip. That would make him a friend of the world... Anyhow with what Ben has been through ( because of the diagnosis)i expect thier may alwayes be a hint of other wordliness about im,,, that something that some would say he has a " old soul' as they can peer into his eyes and see both wisdom a nd innocense. Ben i think has been through things i dont even know about and that has put him in a place where he just wont alwayes quite fit in in comfortably with this worlds system.
But i do belive he will talk and he will read... and play a instrument and even do some art. I believe he will bake cookies with me and his sisters,, and talk about birds andf canoe with his dad... and even play basket ball. I belive Ben will tell me some day about the things of God as i am beliveing Jesus is touching him in ways that he can come back and teach his mom and dad and sisters.
Im beliveing f or a qulaity of life for him... enough that he can make friends and enjoy familys company and intergrate.m and even have a job!
I am seeing a change in him. Hes been quite today and theres a lessening of the obsessiveness of his. He used to play with thease uno cards we buy for his enjoyment by shuffleing them for hours. he isent really wanting to do that much now. He still likes his toys that have lights and sounds but he doesnt tseem to as interested it the ones with blinking lights near as much. Theres a shift. He is understanding more ..
Yes i think Jesus is doing a work that suits the neeeds of Ben. Ben is goign to wake up on eday and just start talking. It may be " ,mom... or water... or hey. IT will just be there.
Maybe today!

[AriBunny]

I'm prayin that the first things he says will be "mom I love you".


I think that would ROCK.



HARD.




heh.


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